Yosemite

[Yorgo Yeorgiou]

anyone update to Yosemite?

any bugs yet?

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[Josh Parmenter]

I’ve been running SC in Yosemite during the beta period, and even performed with it in concert last week. I didn’t have any issues with stable 3.6.

Best,

Josh

On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Yorgo Yeorgiou <yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> anyone update to Yosemite?
>
> any bugs yet?
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[Alessandro Fogar]

Josh,

I'm still on 10.6.8.

Well, I don't know...

Is it better to install Mavericks or perhaps Yosemite ?

Best

AF

2014-10-17 20:05 GMT+02:00 Josh Parmenter <josh-***@public.gmane.org>:

> I’ve been running SC in Yosemite during the beta period, and even
> performed with it in concert last week. I didn’t have any issues with
> stable 3.6.
>
> Best,
>
> Josh
>
> On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Yorgo Yeorgiou <yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > anyone update to Yosemite?
> >
> > any bugs yet?
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[Josh Parmenter]

well - hard to know what better is. Yosemite has been fine for me on a day to day basis. But I haven’t done any benchmarks or anything like that.
Josh

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*/

On Oct 17, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Alessandro Fogar <sfogar-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I'm still on 10.6.8.
>
> Well, I don't know...
>
> Is it better to install Mavericks or perhaps Yosemite ?
>
> Best
>
> AF
>
> 2014-10-17 20:05 GMT+02:00 Josh Parmenter <josh-***@public.gmane.org>:
> I’ve been running SC in Yosemite during the beta period, and even performed with it in concert last week. I didn’t have any issues with stable 3.6.
>
> Best,
>
> Josh
>
> On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Yorgo Yeorgiou <yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > anyone update to Yosemite?
> >
> > any bugs yet?
> >
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[Andrea Valle]

Well, point is that a non native > 10.9 machine works pretty bad with > 10.9 OS
And yes, you need 8 Gb RAM of 10.9, otherwise it sucks.

My machine performs really bad, and it seems a common experience with my colleagues

Best

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"This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what-have-yous."
(Jeffrey 'The Dude' Lebowski)

On 17 Oct 2014, at 23:45, Josh Parmenter <josh-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> well - hard to know what better is. Yosemite has been fine for me on a day to day basis. But I haven’t done any benchmarks or anything like that.
> Josh
>
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> http://www.realizedsound.net/josh/
>
> “Every composer – at all times and in all cases – gives his own interpretation of how modern society is structured: whether actively or passively, consciously or unconsciously, he makes choices in this regard. He may be conservative or he may subject himself to continual renewal; or he may strive for a revolutionary, historical or social palingenesis." - Luigi Nono
> */
>
> On Oct 17, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Alessandro Fogar <sfogar-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> I'm still on 10.6.8.
>>
>> Well, I don't know...
>>
>> Is it better to install Mavericks or perhaps Yosemite ?
>>
>> Best
>>
>> AF
>>
>> 2014-10-17 20:05 GMT+02:00 Josh Parmenter <josh-***@public.gmane.org>:
>> I’ve been running SC in Yosemite during the beta period, and even performed with it in concert last week. I didn’t have any issues with stable 3.6.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Yorgo Yeorgiou <yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> > anyone update to Yosemite?
>> >
>> > any bugs yet?
>> >
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[Yorgo Yeorgiou]

where is the sclang startup file <http://doc.sccode.org/Reference/StartupFile.html> in 3.6.6?


> On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Andrea Valle <valle-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Well, point is that a non native > 10.9 machine works pretty bad with > 10.9 OS
> And yes, you need 8 Gb RAM of 10.9, otherwise it sucks.
>
> My machine performs really bad, and it seems a common experience with my colleagues
>
> Best
>
> -a-
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Andrea Valle
> --------------------------------------------------
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> Università degli Studi di Torino
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> --------------------------------------------------
>
> "This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what-have-yous."
> (Jeffrey 'The Dude' Lebowski)
>
> On 17 Oct 2014, at 23:45, Josh Parmenter <josh-***@public.gmane.org <mailto:josh-***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>
>> well - hard to know what better is. Yosemite has been fine for me on a day to day basis. But I haven’t done any benchmarks or anything like that.
>> Josh
>>
>> ******************************************
>> /* Joshua D. Parmenter
>> http://www.realizedsound.net/josh/ <http://www.realizedsound.net/josh/>
>>
>> “Every composer – at all times and in all cases – gives his own interpretation of how modern society is structured: whether actively or passively, consciously or unconsciously, he makes choices in this regard. He may be conservative or he may subject himself to continual renewal; or he may strive for a revolutionary, historical or social palingenesis." - Luigi Nono
>> */
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Alessandro Fogar <sfogar-***@public.gmane.org <mailto:sfogar-***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> I'm still on 10.6.8.
>>>
>>> Well, I don't know...
>>>
>>> Is it better to install Mavericks or perhaps Yosemite ?
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> AF
>>>
>>> 2014-10-17 20:05 GMT+02:00 Josh Parmenter <josh-***@public.gmane.org <mailto:josh-***@public.gmane.org>>:
>>> I’ve been running SC in Yosemite during the beta period, and even performed with it in concert last week. I didn’t have any issues with stable 3.6.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Yorgo Yeorgiou <yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org <mailto:yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > anyone update to Yosemite?
>>> >
>>> > any bugs yet?
>>> >
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>>>
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>>>
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>

[James Harkins]

At Sun, 19 Oct 2014 17:16:35 +0300,
Yorgo Yeorgiou wrote:
>
> where is the sclang startup file <http://doc.sccode.org/Reference/StartupFile.html> in 3.6.6?

Curiously enough (as one would hope from documentation), the answer is right there in the help file's first sentence:

~~
Once the class library is finished compiling the interpreter looks for a file at Platform.userConfigDir +/+ "startup.scd"
~~

So you may simply run

Platform.userConfigDir +/+ "startup.scd"

to find where it is.

Note also File menu > "Open startup file."

hjh

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[Yorgo Yeorgiou]

I know that the file is located in ~ /Users/*name*/Library/Application Support/SuperCollider ~ but I can not see it there.. probably I have to create it by my self.

> On Oct 19, 2014, at 6:24 PM, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> At Sun, 19 Oct 2014 17:16:35 +0300,
> Yorgo Yeorgiou wrote:
>>
>> where is the sclang startup file <http://doc.sccode.org/Reference/StartupFile.html> in 3.6.6?
>
> Curiously enough (as one would hope from documentation), the answer is right there in the help file's first sentence:
>
> ~~
> Once the class library is finished compiling the interpreter looks for a file at Platform.userConfigDir +/+ "startup.scd"
> ~~
>
> So you may simply run
>
> Platform.userConfigDir +/+ "startup.scd"
>
> to find where it is.
>
> Note also File menu > "Open startup file."
>
> hjh
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[James Harkins]

On October 19, 2014 11:33:27 PM Yorgo Yeorgiou <yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I know that the file is located in ~ /Users/*name*/Library/Application
> Support/SuperCollider ~ but I can not see it there.. probably I have to
> create it by my self.

It's there already. It's just that Steve Jobs thought users shouldn't be
able to see it. So, you can't see it. The joys of proprietary operating
systems.

This is why I pointed you to the "Open startup file" command in the IDE's
File menu. Did you try it? I guess not...

If you need further advice, I'll let a Mac user answer.

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[Glen Fraser]

On 19 Oct 2014, at 17:45, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> This is why I pointed you to the "Open startup file" command in the IDE's File menu. Did you try it? I guess not...
>
> If you need further advice, I'll let a Mac user answer.


Platform.userConfigDir.openOS

always works a treat, on any OS (including OS X). You can also do:

(Platform.userConfigDir +/+ "startup.scd").openOS

which should open the startup file directly in SC-IDE (though better to use the IDE’s File menu entry, as James says). If none of these works, then I suppose you don’t have a startup file yet!

Glen.

[Yorgo Yeorgiou]

ok there it is!

thanks!

> On Oct 19, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Glen Fraser <holaglen-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> On 19 Oct 2014, at 17:45, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org <mailto:jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>>
>> This is why I pointed you to the "Open startup file" command in the IDE's File menu. Did you try it? I guess not...
>>
>> If you need further advice, I'll let a Mac user answer.
>
>
> Platform.userConfigDir.openOS
>
> always works a treat, on any OS (including OS X). You can also do:
>
> (Platform.userConfigDir +/+ "startup.scd").openOS
>
> which should open the startup file directly in SC-IDE (though better to use the IDE’s File menu entry, as James says). If none of these works, then I suppose you don’t have a startup file yet!
>
> Glen.
>

[Rainer Schuetz]

On 19 Oct 2014, at 16:45, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>> I know that the file is located in ~ /Users/*name*/Library/Application Support/SuperCollider ~ but I can not see it there.. probably I have to create it by my self.
>
> It's there already. It's just that Steve Jobs thought users shouldn't be able to see it. So, you can't see it. The joys of proprietary operating systems.
>
> This is why I pointed you to the "Open startup file" command in the IDE's File menu. Did you try it? I guess not...

Come on, James, be nice. "Open startup file" creates startup.scd if it wasn’t there before. So you can in fact open the userAppSupportDir and not find startup.scd - in which case you may as well create it manually. Nothing wrong with that, is it? Well, of course you ignore Tim's (Cook’s) preference, but we’re all adults, aren’t we?
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[Miles Monroe]

Hey there, not sure if this thread is still about bugs with Yosemite, but I
just installed Yosemite and have noticed a minor issue with it and 3.6.6.

I'm making a GUI application and am testing it, and I notice that if my gui
is foreground, it seems like the post window lags noticeably behind (a few
seconds, sometimes) and the readout of cpu usage freezes and only updates
regularly when I have the IDE foreground. This wouldn't be such an issue,
but I have my gui buttons doing things, and sometimes it's helpful for me to
have debug info hit the post window instantly...especially if I'm wanting to
see what happens live while I manipulate the controls.

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[Rainer Schuetz]

> I'm making a GUI application and am testing it, and I notice that if my gui
> is foreground, it seems like the post window lags noticeably behind (a few
> seconds, sometimes) and the readout of cpu usage freezes and only updates
> regularly when I have the IDE foreground.

Looks like you’re having problems with AppNap. You should be able to disable AppNap for SuperCollider by right-clicking the AppBundle-Icon, select “Get Info” and click “Prevent AppNap”. If that solves your issue it would be nice if you reported back, because general awareness of the AppNap-problem isn’t too widespread yet :)

You could also try the following: download SC-bleeding edge, which contains an AppNap-fix from the link below (automatic build, a new service brought by Scott Carver) and try whether your problem goes away:

http://supercollider.s3.amazonaws.com/builds/supercollider/supercollider/osx/master-latest.html

Again feedback would be appreciated.

Best
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[James Harkins]

At Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:43:34 +0100,
Rainer Schuetz wrote:
> Come on, James, be nice. "Open startup file" creates startup.scd if it wasn’t there before. So you can in fact open the userAppSupportDir and not find startup.scd - in which case you may as well create it manually. Nothing wrong with that, is it? Well, of course you ignore Tim's (Cook’s) preference, but we’re all adults, aren’t we?

Well, the point was that Yorge couldn't find the app support directory in the Finder. Whether "Open startup file" does or doesn't create the file is irrelevant to the default OSX policy of hiding the Library folders.

The fastest way to examine/edit the startup file is, in the IDE, File > Open startup file. I mentioned this in my first e-mail and Yorge ignored it. He would have had the answer faster if he had read everything in my e-mail. That's the point.

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[Rainer Schuetz]

On 20 Oct 2014, at 03:21, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> That's the point

I’m not so sure…
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[Bruno Ruviaro]

On a lighter dadaist off-topic note, as a California resident I can't help
but to have fun reading recent blog posts and e-mails mentioning "Yosemite"
as if they were actually referring to the National Park. I collected some
favorites from today:

*How to Fix Yosemite's Biggest Annoyances*

[like what? the hordes of tourists?]


*I’ve been running SuperCollider in Yosemite...*

[great thing to do on a camping trip!]

*Anyone update to Yosemite? Any bugs yet?*

[bugs, bears, deer... lots of them]

*Yosemite has been fine for me on a day to day basis. But I haven’t done
any benchmarks or anything like that.*

[ :-) ]

...and this is a scary one:

*How to Burn Yosemite to a USB Flash Drive*


On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Rainer Schuetz <rs-Ll4Z+ezHP46zQB+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On 20 Oct 2014, at 03:21, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > That's the point
>
> I’m not so sure

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[Glen F]

> On a lighter dadaist off-topic note, as a California resident I can't
help but to have fun reading recent blog posts and e-mails mentioning
"Yosemite" as if they were actually referring to the National Park.

Oh, you maverick... (-;

[Yorgo Yeorgiou]

It is pretty obvious that the file (at least in Yosemite) it is not there by default (Tim’s fault, Steve's fault, Apple’s fault, Tim’s first cousin fault..).

Either you have to create it manually or automatically launch it through IDE.

I lost your point also Jakes :P

Cheers,
Yorgo


>
> Well, the point was that Yorge couldn't find the app support directory in the Finder. Whether "Open startup file" does or doesn't create the file is irrelevant to the default OSX policy of hiding the Library folders.
>
> The fastest way to examine/edit the startup file is, in the IDE, File > Open startup file. I mentioned this in my first e-mail and Yorge ignored it. He would have had the answer faster if he had read everything in my e-mail. That's the point.
>
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[Scott Wilson]

On 20 Oct 2014, at 03:21, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> At Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:43:34 +0100,
> Rainer Schuetz wrote:
>> Come on, James, be nice. "Open startup file" creates startup.scd if it wasn’t there before. So you can in fact open the userAppSupportDir and not find startup.scd - in which case you may as well create it manually. Nothing wrong with that, is it? Well, of course you ignore Tim's (Cook’s) preference, but we’re all adults, aren’t we?
>
> Well, the point was that Yorge couldn't find the app support directory in the Finder. Whether "Open startup file" does or doesn't create the file is irrelevant to the default OSX policy of hiding the Library folders.
>
> The fastest way to examine/edit the startup file is, in the IDE, File > Open startup file. I mentioned this in my first e-mail and Yorge ignored it. He would have had the answer faster if he had read everything in my e-mail. That's the point.

Well, I guess the main point is that in Apple’s eyes, Application Support is a ‘private’ directory (as is the enclosing Library/) which users should not be messing around in directly unless they know what they’re doing, and therefore is hidden. Your bit of platform trolling aside, hidden files and directories are also one of the ‘joys’ of non-proprietary operating systems.

So if there’s a problem here, I think it’s ours, as we put the startup file there, instead of say, in home/ or somewhere else. Arguably we might have moved it when Library was made hidden by default, and I suppose we still could. Personally though, I think having a menu item for non-expert users (I find it useful as well!) is a perfectly suitable solution. But if you want to blame Steve Jobs, go ahead. It’s kind of pleasantly retro, in a 90s sort of way. ;-)

S.
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[James Harkins]

On October 20, 2014 3:06:46 PM Scott Wilson <***@scottwilson.ca> wrote:

> Well, I guess the main point is that in Apple’s eyes, Application Support
> is a ‘private’ directory (as is the enclosing Library/) which users should
> not be messing around in directly unless they know what they’re doing, and
> therefore is hidden. Your bit of platform trolling aside, hidden files and
> directories are also one of the ‘joys’ of non-proprietary operating systems.

True, but the default folder browser in Ubuntu (Nautilus) exposes them all
by a simple Ctrl-H. OSX continues to hide the Library, even if you tell it
to show hidden files.

This isn't really a problem -- users who need access to Library are
probably knowledgeable enough to search the web and find out how to bypass
the limitation -- but it has come up as a question on sc-users more than a
few times. Mainly I was complaining about that. If it's a better solution
to put the SC app support directory in a visible location, I'd be in favor
of that rather than have repeated questions.

I fear that if I continue this discussion, it will be not only my foot but
also my ankle in my mouth, so I'll stop now.

hjh

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[Scott Wilson]

On 20 Oct 2014, at 09:32, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On October 20, 2014 3:06:46 PM Scott Wilson <***@scottwilson.ca> wrote:
>
>> Well, I guess the main point is that in Apple’s eyes, Application Support is a ‘private’ directory (as is the enclosing Library/) which users should not be messing around in directly unless they know what they’re doing, and therefore is hidden. Your bit of platform trolling aside, hidden files and directories are also one of the ‘joys’ of non-proprietary operating systems.
>
> True, but the default folder browser in Ubuntu (Nautilus) exposes them all by a simple Ctrl-H. OSX continues to hide the Library, even if you tell it to show hidden files.

It shows in the Go menu if you hold down alt. System wide Library is visible.
>
> This isn't really a problem -- users who need access to Library are probably knowledgeable enough to search the web and find out how to bypass the limitation -- but it has come up as a question on sc-users more than a few times. Mainly I was complaining about that. If it's a better solution to put the SC app support directory in a visible location, I'd be in favor of that rather than have repeated questions.

Sounds like a documentation problem. They’re finding out about the startup file, but not about how to find it. A note in the help file would probably solve that.

S.
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[Richard Wentk]

System-level app support at [OS drive]/Library/Application Support is always visible in Yosemite.

User-level app support at [OS drive]/users/[name]/Library/Application Support is hidden, but *does* appear if you tell Finder to show hidden files.

Is there a good reason not to put sc app support in the system Library?

Richard

> On 20 Oct 2014, at 09:32, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> On October 20, 2014 3:06:46 PM Scott Wilson <***@scottwilson.ca> wrote:
>
>> Well, I guess the main point is that in Apple’s eyes, Application Support is a ‘private’ directory (as is the enclosing Library/) which users should not be messing around in directly unless they know what they’re doing, and therefore is hidden. Your bit of platform trolling aside, hidden files and directories are also one of the ‘joys’ of non-proprietary operating systems.
>
> True, but the default folder browser in Ubuntu (Nautilus) exposes them all by a simple Ctrl-H. OSX continues to hide the Library, even if you tell it to show hidden files.
>
> This isn't really a problem -- users who need access to Library are probably knowledgeable enough to search the web and find out how to bypass the limitation -- but it has come up as a question on sc-users more than a few times. Mainly I was complaining about that. If it's a better solution to put the SC app support directory in a visible location, I'd be in favor of that rather than have repeated questions.
>
> I fear that if I continue this discussion, it will be not only my foot but also my ankle in my mouth, so I'll stop now.
>
> hjh
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[Scott Wilson]

SC does read the system level directory, so you can put stuff there.


> On 20 Oct 2014, at 12:46, Richard Wentk <richard-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> System-level app support at [OS drive]/Library/Application Support is always visible in Yosemite.
>
> User-level app support at [OS drive]/users/[name]/Library/Application Support is hidden, but *does* appear if you tell Finder to show hidden files.
>
> Is there a good reason not to put sc app support in the system Library?
>
> Richard
>
>> On 20 Oct 2014, at 09:32, James Harkins <jamshark70-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> On October 20, 2014 3:06:46 PM Scott Wilson <***@scottwilson.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I guess the main point is that in Apple’s eyes, Application Support is a ‘private’ directory (as is the enclosing Library/) which users should not be messing around in directly unless they know what they’re doing, and therefore is hidden. Your bit of platform trolling aside, hidden files and directories are also one of the ‘joys’ of non-proprietary operating systems.
>>
>> True, but the default folder browser in Ubuntu (Nautilus) exposes them all by a simple Ctrl-H. OSX continues to hide the Library, even if you tell it to show hidden files.
>>
>> This isn't really a problem -- users who need access to Library are probably knowledgeable enough to search the web and find out how to bypass the limitation -- but it has come up as a question on sc-users more than a few times. Mainly I was complaining about that. If it's a better solution to put the SC app support directory in a visible location, I'd be in favor of that rather than have repeated questions.
>>
>> I fear that if I continue this discussion, it will be not only my foot but also my ankle in my mouth, so I'll stop now.
>>
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[thor]

One reason to have it in User Library is for machines with many users,
for example in educational institutions where students can mess about with
quarks as they want, without altering the main environment.

(and as we know quarks can override core methods, which could easily be
problematic when trying to run seminars and workshops).


On 20 Oct 2014, at 12:46, Richard Wentk <richard-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Is there a good reason not to put sc app support in the system Library?

[Rainer Schuetz]

On 20 Oct 2014, at 13:15, thor <th.list-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>> Is there a good reason not to put sc app support in the system Library?


- you need admin rights to do so

[Scott Wilson]

Basically we encourage using the user level by default because:

a) If your config is complicated enough that you actually need to put stuff in the system Lib you are probably clever enough to know how to do that, and
b) for the vast majority of single user account machines it would make no difference anyway

S.

On 20 Oct 2014, at 23:36, Rainer Schuetz <rs-Ll4Z+ezHP46zQB+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On 20 Oct 2014, at 13:15, thor <th.list-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>>> Is there a good reason not to put sc app support in the system Library?
>
>
> - you need admin rights to do so

[Scott Carver]

I've run the qt5 branch some, and seen no big problems.

In general, I think that Yosemite was more of a stabilization release? At
least: in testing stuff at work, there were a lot of problems when
Mavericks was released, and none for Yosemite.

- S



On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Yorgo Yeorgiou <yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> anyone update to Yosemite?
>
> any bugs yet?
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[Scott Carver]

That said, qt5 is much less likely to be hit by deprecated API's or big OS
changes than qt4, whose core is almost 10 years old at this point.

- S

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Scott Carver <scott-y6qSm6YX8/***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I've run the qt5 branch some, and seen no big problems.
>
> In general, I think that Yosemite was more of a stabilization release? At
> least: in testing stuff at work, there were a lot of problems when
> Mavericks was released, and none for Yosemite.
>
> - S
>
>
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> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Yorgo Yeorgiou <yorgoyeo-***@public.gmane.org>
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>> anyone update to Yosemite?
>>
>> any bugs yet?
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